Paul Ryan says mental health reform is "critical ingredient" in stopping mass shootings



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Comments:

13 Oct 2017 05:52 - +14288
Just thinking, but maybe perhaps, one way to improve mental health is to ensure it is covered under healthcare insurance plans...
13 Oct 2017 06:30 - +3431
Where the fuck are these "mental health reform bills" he's churning out? Who is supposedly blocking/voting against them?
13 Oct 2017 05:49 - +1782
As he votes to take healthcare away from 1/6 Americans
13 Oct 2017 06:19 - +1536
He's right, and he lays out his argument in this editorial: [This Shooting Isn’t About Gun Control We Refuse To Pass, It’s About Access To Mental Health Care We’re Continuing To Gut](http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/shooting-isnt-about-gun-control-we-refuse-pass-its-57095)
13 Oct 2017 05:32 - +1286
Then stop voting against treatment and healthcare you evil fuck.
13 Oct 2017 06:56 - +727
-proceeds to do nothing about it-
13 Oct 2017 06:02 - +297
*Asked by CBS News' Nancy Cordes if it was a mistake to make it easier for mentally ill people to get a gun, Ryan paused and moved onto another reporter's question.* Mental health is drastically overlooked in our country so at least that might get some needed attention.
13 Oct 2017 05:44 - +289
The vast majority of people with mental illness are only a danger to themselves. They are far more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. That's just fact. The kind of people with psychosis who are mentally able to formulate a plan and actually carry it out are not the kind of people who either seek out mental health care or would be detected by the average mental health worker. Sociopathic people who carry out crimes like this are too smart to get caught up in mental health screening.
13 Oct 2017 07:26 - +176
There's zero indication that the Vegas shooter had untreated mental illness. Certainly not any of the more routine (and crippling) ones like schizophrenia that tend to show up in youth. He certainly seemed to be in command of his faculties enough to methodically plan an execute an elaborate mass murder plot over the space of at least months if not a year or more. I don't think there's any amount of mental illness screening that would have prevented that. Not to mention, he probably did have multiple screenings as part of his pilot's license. Nor would banning guns (as if you even really could) have stopped someone who was that determined and methodical - he could have just rented a truck and [re-enacted the Nice attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack), which had a higher kill count than Vegas. None of this is an argument against providing expanded mental health services. It's simply an acknowledgment that there will always be people willing and able to kill for ideological, personal, or unknown reasons.
13 Oct 2017 05:50 - +140
"Now, if only all those mentally ill people would pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get meaningful jobs so that they can actually afford mental health services, then we could have this all solved." -Republicans, probably.
13 Oct 2017 08:02 - +77
And that's how you know "mental health" is nothing more than an attempt to change the subject. It's an empty gesture.
13 Oct 2017 06:13 - +53
[Trump repeals Obamacare provision that requires coverage of mental health.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/trump-obamacare-executive-order/index.html)
13 Oct 2017 06:48 - +48
...too bad your caucus is doing everything in its power to strip people of the healthcare benefits they need for mental health issues.
13 Oct 2017 12:23 - +48
Why is it that mental health in the US is only ever discussed after mass shootings? And even then it's just a way of avoiding conversations about gun control, never actually anything about providing mental health services.
13 Oct 2017 10:36 - +37
Mental health as a whole is ignored, stigmatized, and underreported... I'm glad, but it's surprising how rare this stuff is considering how many people live/try to live off minimum wage or in that area.
13 Oct 2017 05:46 - +30
So do you plan on doing anything or is this just a way to deflect from guns?
13 Oct 2017 05:54 - +25
how would it stop this though..like paddock was a rich white guy wite seemingly no warning signs, how they even detect up on it. Same with Lanza who his parents knew of his troubles, they had the money to treat him. Yet they didnt for some reason
13 Oct 2017 07:16 - +21
But provided no evidence that the Vegas shooter had metal health issues.
13 Oct 2017 13:39 - +17
Last time I checked, being an asshole wasnt a diagnosis under the DSM. The mentally ill are just a scapegoat to a much deeper problem, though I fully agree that mental health access and coverage could use all the expansion it can get.
13 Oct 2017 07:47 - +16
So does this mean that Ryan supports Universal Health Care that covers mental health? Afterall it's the best way to catch as many mentally unstable people as possible.
13 Oct 2017 07:00 - +13
Universal mental health care sure would be a nice step for America.
13 Oct 2017 07:01 - +9
Is he stupid? Mental health care costs you know money. His party has established they are woefully unwilling to foot the bill. I'd also be willing to imagine the risk of mental illness is higher for those in poverty. If you are going to scape goat an issue as others put it make sure you didn't push your friggen scape goat off the cliff first.
13 Oct 2017 06:15 - +8
What can realistically be done? Few people are known to have mental health problems before they get to that point. Even if you know someone has a problem, you can't give them medication or put them in an institution unless they pay for it, and if they don't have the money they can't be treated.
13 Oct 2017 06:27 - +8
Not to mention suicides, 2/3 of all gun deaths.
13 Oct 2017 14:14 - +7
Gun control is written by idiots who couldn't tell an assault rifle from a car. "Mental Health" reform is written by people trying to step out from under the gun control issue. Face it America, if the shooter isn't nuts, then it's someone with an axe to grind for whatever reason. Y'all don't like each other for some reason.
13 Oct 2017 12:10 - +6
people always say this, but I'm not sure I can really think of a mental health system that would be effective against attacks like this without also being dystopian as fuck. like these events are all premeditated, calculated attacks usually made without anyone suspecting anything beforehand. like this old guy lived in a pretty ritzy retirement home, he HAD access to mental health facilities. so what mental health program could intervene? compulsory psychological screenings? that sounds shady as fuck.
13 Oct 2017 10:55 - +4
All they're going to do is what the military/VA already does. A nurse asks you monotone questions while staring at her computer, "Are you having suicidal or homicidal thoughts?" And of course you say, "no." Because why would you open up to a person like that?
13 Oct 2017 13:29 - +4
gotta have health care to get mental health care, ya fuck
13 Oct 2017 07:58 - +3
The problem with this idea is that people who plan and/or carry out mass shootings aren't going to voluntarily seek out mental health treatment.

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