Walmart welfare.


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13 Jan 2018 16:26 - +1250
While this is a fair point, we need to be careful in deploying rhetoric which implies that a person needs to work a certain amount before they become worthy of receiving help. All human beings deserve to live, regardless of whether they perform profitable labor for their bosses.
13 Jan 2018 20:51 - +413
Hey wait a minute. I thought participating in capitalism was supposed to enable you to pay for your needs yourself?
13 Jan 2018 15:59 - +221
Most US corporations are net welfare recipients in some form as are all Republican majority states. The US is a plutocracy where capital risk is socialized and profit is privatized.
13 Jan 2018 16:25 - +123
I'm not from the USA. Is this really happening? It sounds unreal. And I'm from Greece. We have pretty unreal things happening here the last years. But this... Well I suppose I must prepare for this coming here also...
13 Jan 2018 16:37 - +75
Wouldn't it be nice if we still had workers unions? .....collective bargaining or no bargaining at all these are our only choices
13 Jan 2018 21:10 - +58
All these "the market decides value" people are never consistent. They will never admit that if a company can not afford to pay a living wage then this means that the market has spoken and said this company has no right to exist. It's always about kicking the poor with these people. Their "market decides" value is a lie. If they honestly felt this then they would be consistent in it.
13 Jan 2018 20:22 - +50
Billionaires want to be trillionaires on the back of automation and robotics as [this article](https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/13/mark-cuban-the-worlds-first-trillionaire-will-be-an-ai-entrepreneur.html) shows. We are already seeing major layoffs in fast food because the minimum wage has gone up. They are installing automated machines instead. These machines (which just took somebody's job) aren't being taxed any differently than a laptop you may buy from a store. If that doesn't change - and f*****g soon we are going to end up with tens of millions of people destitute without jobs while a new trillionaire class emerges.
13 Jan 2018 16:02 - +30
why will no think of the poor millionaires /s
13 Jan 2018 21:23 - +21
America. Land of the free, home of the enslaved. The minimum adult wage in Australia is $18 an hour
13 Jan 2018 21:44 - +17
This is the paradox that I never understood: **Corporations:** - Purpose is to maximize profits for shareholders - Has the moral obligation to use tax loopholes - CEO has fiduciary duty to maximize profits - Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is expected - Is not obligated to provide living wage. Government bail out is desired to save jobs. - Zero corporate tax rate attracts jobs. **Families:** - Demanding higher minimum wage to maximum profits (income) for shareholders (family members) is communist. - Unionizing with the purpose of gaining collective bargaining rights to maximize profits (wages) is anti-capitalist. - Employment at will. CEO (breadwinner) who negotiates higher profit (income) *will* be terminated. - Accepting subsidizing (government assistance) is socialist. Negotiating healthcare (lobbying) is socialist. - Are not to big to fail (go bankrupt). Running at a loss (in debt) is personal responsibility and will not be bailed out resulting is job loss. - Minimum wage workers paying zero taxes is costing jobs. [Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs](https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-vs-social-welfare/)
13 Jan 2018 21:30 - +13
I am not good at debating. When I show arguments like this to some of my more conservative friends, they suggest that government isn't subsidizing the company, but rather they're subsidizing the worker who is unable sell their labour for a higher price. What do I say to counter this?
13 Jan 2018 21:43 - +11
Walmart offers fair wages but not fair hours. You don't work full time at Walmart. You work 22 hours per week, and they're inconsistent hours to make you miserable.
13 Jan 2018 22:52 - +8
Ok, here is where my issue comes in. I invested in my self, went to college and learned skills that make me quite valuable to my employer. I am decently compensated, but due to the nature of our work, am put on a salary that is fair, but I have to put in some extra hours, so at the end of the day my $50k salary breaks down to about $20 an hour. I paid ~$7200 in loans and spent an additional ~200 hours studying for an exam necessary to progress in my field, so at the end of the day, before taxes my "true" hourly wage is essentially $15.85/hour. Why after investing all this time and money into myself to get to where I am, is someone entitled to the same pay while all they did was fill out an application and learn enough to stock shelves and run a cash register? I know this is going to come off as being a dick, and that is not at all what I am trying to do, but I genuinely struggle to understand how people can make these arguments. Automation is the next step and major corporations are begging for an excuse to implement it, so much so that it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Walton's were major contributors to these political movements to implement a higher wage.
13 Jan 2018 21:37 - +7
How fucked up things can be? Even machinery has the right to the resources it needs to perpetrate its existance, even if its just ti keep doing its job, whereas a lot of workers do not.
13 Jan 2018 21:23 - +7
Perhaps Walmart should give their employees some bootstraps. Stop being poor! /s
13 Jan 2018 22:08 - +6
The median annual income in the United States of America is 31000 dollars.. Let that soak in. (source; us bureau of census "real median personal income" for 2016)
13 Jan 2018 20:23 - +6
Really sad to say this but in Finland our government is trying to pull off a bit of similar scheme. Not long before it's the same here. :(
13 Jan 2018 20:32 - +6
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13 Jan 2018 22:16 - +5
Yes, the Walton's are greedy fucking scum, not content to have multiple billions of dollars each, they want ALL the money..
13 Jan 2018 21:43 - +5
Jeff Bezos does this as well.
13 Jan 2018 20:28 - +4
This is true and i’m not a socialist.
13 Jan 2018 22:11 - +4
Thinking about this makes me super depressed. It's like some dystopian shit.
13 Jan 2018 22:36 - +4
In response to the tax cuts, Walmart is raising their base wage to $11/hr and giving out $1000 bonuses. Corporations do not pay taxes. It is simply a business expense that they extract from their customers in the form of higher prices and when competition does not allow that from their employees in the form of lower wages.
13 Jan 2018 15:37 - +4
Damn, you’re right.
13 Jan 2018 22:19 - +3
Also...Walmart is the largest consumer of food stamps....or government backed food revenue.
13 Jan 2018 22:57 - +3
Please tell me I am not the only one who saw that they raised their wage to $11 by closing several Sams clubs? Apparently the company is so bankrupt that they need to force people into unemployment in order to avoid indentured labor and here I was thinking that the East India Company closed in the late 1800s. Very very British of them.
13 Jan 2018 23:15 - +3
This is misleading, but still accurate.... Walmart doesn't actually allow most associates to be full-time, because they don't want to offer them benefits. Walmart makes sure people average under 30 hours per week. So associates actually end up juggling multiple jobs at over 40 hours/week and are still 1 illness away from eviction and ruin/
13 Jan 2018 21:36 - +3
Trueeeeeee shit. I see no reason why any one person should make more than 25 million a year. There should be a cap on how many millions millionaires make.
13 Jan 2018 20:24 - +3
I’m confused please explain
13 Jan 2018 22:50 - +2
I don’t understand ... why don’t they just get a small loan, 9 million, from daddy?
13 Jan 2018 23:35 - +2
I honestly make abit more analyzing bank statements for a company and I see alot of walmart employees. They get paid enough to survive.. it just means you wont necessarily be able to afford a car, raise kids and buy cigarette and booze. Its a shitty salary but if you dont have the income to have a family maybe you shouldnt have one. #unpopular opinion
13 Jan 2018 22:56 - +2
The wages get smaller and the prices get higher. Ahhh it's grand living in 2018.
13 Jan 2018 23:08 - +2
THIS. a thousand times this.
13 Jan 2018 23:35 - +2
R they can find better jobs. That’s why I did
13 Jan 2018 23:22 - +2
Oh geez I seriously had a wake up call
13 Jan 2018 22:04 - +2
Head desk
13 Jan 2018 23:34 - +2
It's easier and more profitable to live off government assistance then it is to work for the largest employer in US history.
13 Jan 2018 15:20 - +1
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13 Jan 2018 21:45 - +1
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13 Jan 2018 22:41 - +1
Something is broken when the owner can make 100s of times more money than his workers. When the owner can have wealth a hundred times over and his workers can barely survive.
13 Jan 2018 22:10 - +1
[Kurzgesagt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl39KHS07Xc&ab_channel=Kurzgesagt%E2%80%93InaNutshell) on UBI.
13 Jan 2018 22:44 - +1
What is a food stamp is it an actual stamp ?? Serious question
13 Jan 2018 22:39 - +1
How about this for corporate welfare? If you want government assistance including Medicaid, you need to have a job or else do volunteer work. That's the trend happening. Kentucky wants to make you work to get Medicaid and Trump is going to allow it. Behind them are 10 other states. Think about that for a minute. If you want assistance, you have to get a job at Wal Mart and keep a job or you could lose assistance. Get laid off? You have to go pickup trash on the side of the road or get a job at some other lowly employer for minimum wage.
13 Jan 2018 22:45 - +1
Same thing at amazon. Work part time 30 hours and you are directed to healthcare.gov for your health insurance.
13 Jan 2018 22:52 - +1
If they raised minimum wage to a point where it would be possible to afford all the nessecities required to live, wouldn't more people be out of a job because the individual businesses wouldn't be able to afford the rising costs of employment? I'm referring to the franchises/family businesses more so than the corporate owned businesses. Not trying to refute the point made here but I want to understand this issue on all sides. The question I asked is the common response I get from people when I talk about minimum wage and stuff, they either say they don't deserve an increase to minimum wage because the job is "easy" or that employers couldn't afford it.
13 Jan 2018 22:52 - +1
What a revolutionary suggestion. You having one any time soon? A revolution, I mean. Cuz holy shit, get it together down there.
13 Jan 2018 22:54 - +1
Won't somebody please think of the shareholders!
13 Jan 2018 22:07 - +0
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13 Jan 2018 22:33 - +0
Now, lets describe the workers and shoppers there as white trash while we're at it.
13 Jan 2018 22:14 - +-2
a footballer earns 100,000 pounds a week because of a natural ability (and a lot of dedication and hard work) while a nurse has to claim benefits to feed her child even though she works like a dog for 40+ hours a week - which one of these is exploiting "the system" for personal gain?

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