Liam Neeson says harassment allegations in Hollywood have become a "witch hunt"



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13 Jan 2018 19:21 - +9151
A few years ago, in my first year of uni, I was raped by someone who I thought was a friend. I never talk about it to anyone but Reddit is kind of a safe space where people don't know who I am so I feel more comfortable to talk about it here. I still struggle with it years later. I never went to the police but I've had therapy for it. This person was in my social circle and he made me feel as if I'd brought it on myself, even though I'd literally said no during plenty of times and was covered in bruises the morning after. I had a boyfriend at the time and that relationship broke down as even though he had seen the bruises and the guy who did it even admitted down the phone that I'd said no- he still saw it as cheating. I must say though I hate #metoo. Anyone could do it and it doesn't show the severity of what happened. If you're going to come forward with #metoo I think you should at least talk about the experience. A girl who I lived with had put it as her Facebook status and I asked her about it because she knew about what had happened to me and she had the audacity of saying that 'people catcall' her. I didn't take part in it because I didn't want to talk about it. I think every case is individual and I can understand why a lot of people take years to speak up about this. Sexual assault and rape is a grey area- it's not black and white and that can be super confusing for the victim at the time. But someone touching your knee once or being overly flirty and making you feel uncomfortable in my eyes is not sexual assault. Yes it's something that's brought upon you that you don't like but things like that happen every day. I'm not saying it's right and hopefully one day that'll change- it's the culture we're in and maybe this is the start of that culture changing. But I don't think anyone's career should be ruined because they touched someone's knee. We just have to teach the next generation that this isn't okay. Edit: thank you for the responses. Im probably going to stop responding and looking at comments now as I'm getting a bit upset. I shouldn't have made a comment in the first place. Im not gatekeeping sexual assault. To those who have a problem with my comment please remember that things read differently online to in person and I'm sure that if we sat down with each other you'd probably get where I'm coming from. All sexual assault is awful and disgusting and yes the metoo campaign has probably helped a lot of people I just think that it's diluted with people who haven't got a clue about sexual assault. Overall I think a lot of people need educating on the subject and that this changes in the near future. I never want anyone to feel less than. I actually mentor people in my city who have been through sexual assault and rape so I am sympathetic to anything no matter how small or big- maybe my friend was a bad example again it's because she had previously bragged about being catcalled which is what annoyed me. Sorry to anyone I've offended. Thanks. Bye. Edit 2: after getting my emotions together and reading some of the comments. I get what people are saying. I'm 23 years old and maybe my comment was made to rashly. I didn't think this comment would blow up. You've all educated me and I want to thank you for that. I wasn't trying to make any victims voice smaller but I can see that in my post that I was even though I didn't mean to. I'm truly sorry for any offence I've caused. Any form sexual harassment or assault is wrong. After reading a lot of the comments I can see how the metoo campaign has helped and maybe if that campaign was around before I had my experience maybe it wouldn't have happened. I have a lot of conflicting feelings and even though my experience was only 3 years ago I still get confused and have to check myself. I'm truly sorry for any offence I've caused and just want to repeat that any circumstance where any gender feels endangered is NOT okay. Thank you for all your time. It's been an educational experience.
13 Jan 2018 20:36 - +4681
yeah but it's a witch-hunt at fucking Hogwarts
13 Jan 2018 21:38 - +2854
Taken 4: Taken to Court
13 Jan 2018 17:54 - +2255
I think the biggest issue is discerning what is sexual harassment and what is innocent seduction attempts, even if it is creepy. Take the Louis CK revelations for instance. Based on what I read, he always asked if it was okay and never did it to anyone who flat out said no. Even the Franco allegations are suspect to say the least. One of the tweets said something in the vein of, "hey Franco, remember when you said nudity wasn't exploitative because I signed a contract?" I can't think of an occasion where a director wouldn't be upset at a cast member for refusing to do a scene in which she ready agreed to. Obviously they have the right to back out, but it's not like Franco went on set and ripped off her clothes in response. She signed a contract agreeing to it and attempted to back out (or it seems). I'd be upset too. If you volunteer for a role in which you're a stripper, don't act so surprised when the director expects you to remove your clothes. The beej in the car? They were in a relationship, and she did it. Are we at the place where everything constitutes sexual harassment, especially in the work place? I think if someone expresses interest and is shut down, there's nothing wrong with that as long as the person rejected doesn't make it part of the culture and treat that person differently as a result of the rejection. My grandparents met at work. I wouldn't even be here if that was the case.
13 Jan 2018 16:51 - +851
I know and understand that many people won't agree but I do. A lot of careers have been destroyed and while many of the men accused were sexual predators, in the current trial by media, many men have had their careers ruined by a claim that can't be proven and that may not have had any malicious intent.
13 Jan 2018 19:47 - +840
> Asked how he felt about Kevin Spacey and Dustin Hoffman, actors who have been accused of multiple counts of sexual misconduct, Neeson said he was “on the fence” about allegations against Hoffman, saying that what he had been accused of was “childhood stuff”. > Discussing the allegations against Hoffman, Neeson said, “when you’re doing a play and you’re with your family – other actors, technicians – you do silly things ... and it becomes kind of superstitious, if you don’t do it every night you think it’s going to jinx the show”. I’m sorry, what the hell does this even mean? Groping someone’s breasts is childhood stuff? And it becomes a ritual so you don’t jinx yourself? What??
13 Jan 2018 20:02 - +585
Not just that. They're a witchunt about knee touching and 'I felt uncomfortable' while CHILDREN BEING RAPED has been completely forgotten. The same people who applauded Polanski anally raped a 13 year old girl. Who cares right? Same with all the young boys... don't see anyone speaking for them...
13 Jan 2018 19:19 - +265
He's right, everyone is being treated as guilty until proven innocent, shit is bonkers and not how it works.
13 Jan 2018 17:18 - +182
I think all advocates for survivors of harassment and abuse would do well to keep this point in mind. We need to be more diligent with the law, with business practices and personal conduct, but the current culture of trial by internet might prove to be harmful to the cause in the end.
13 Jan 2018 18:56 - +119
He looks more like Ralph Fiennes than Liam Neeson in that picture
13 Jan 2018 21:30 - +117
*Women come out and accuse James Franco of sexual assault* Reddit: WHERE IS THE GOD DAMN PROOF! WOMEN ARE ALL LIARS! *Terry Crews comes out and says he’s been sexually assaulted* Reddit: Terry Crews is really brave! Please guys, let’s all get around him and support him in his time of need.
13 Jan 2018 20:22 - +55
Sounds like something a witch would say... GET OUT THE PITCHFORKS!!
13 Jan 2018 22:03 - +48
The James Franco thing thing does not feel like sexual assault
13 Jan 2018 22:07 - +44
Over 10 years ago a woman who I had never met came behind me and grabbed my ass in a bar. I wasn't really pleased about it and gave her a look but she and her friends just had some laughs and giggles. With this whole movement I ask myself: "If she became a celebrity or politician or whatever, should me telling my story about that night ruin her career?"
13 Jan 2018 22:17 - +32
Well now we all know who's going to be accused next.
13 Jan 2018 21:50 - +29
People just really need to learn some context. Several women come out against a famous director who has a reputation for being sleazy? He probably did it. One woman comes out against Tom Hanks or whatever for accidentally touching her leg? It's probably not a big deal and she's looking for attention.
13 Jan 2018 20:37 - +26
While I agree with the sentiment behind what Neeson's trying to say here, he couldn't have made more of a cock up of saying it. Talking about rituals before a show and calling the Dustin Hoffman stuff 'childhood stuff' is hardly the right way to go about opening up a discussion about what does and doesn't constitute sexual assault. And it's a shame because there are plenty of allegations floating around that are unfair to the accused people, plenty of good examples he could have used, and he chooses talk practically incoherently about the Dustin Hoffman stuff? What was he thinking?
13 Jan 2018 21:49 - +22
Weird example but the Jian Gomeshi trial happened years before all this. If you glance at a headline you think 'what a creep' . He got fired and publically shunned. But he was found innocent on all charges and if you dig into all the evidence and read into it, yeah he was innocent.
13 Jan 2018 22:06 - +19
Where's Ja?
13 Jan 2018 22:10 - +12
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