Norway versus the USA

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14 Jan 2018 05:06 - +3925
As a European, I would like to ask my fellow Europeans (and everyone else who reads this), please do not think it is suddenly okay to "retaliate" against Donald Trump's rhetoric by calling America a "shithole" in response. America is a lot more than Donald Trump. There are around 350 million people living there, and all but one of them are not Donald J. Trump. Making blanket insults against all of these people just because Trump did it to a couple other nations is still bad form and a bad idea.
14 Jan 2018 01:38 - +2597
14 Jan 2018 03:55 - +1197
14 Jan 2018 04:00 - +1057
I can’t understand why someone named u/USAsucksEUrules would post this, norway isn’t in the EU
14 Jan 2018 02:23 - +836
Trump really doesn't understand shit. People usually move to a *better* place for a better life. As someone who lives in Germany I would love to visit the United States as tourist but I could not imagine living there. Of course here also not everything is perfect and the prefect country does probably not exist.
14 Jan 2018 03:40 - +718
Actually in Norway it’s incredibly hard to find a job as many companies hire people their whole lives as it’s hard to fire someone, it’s also extremely expensive ($2k+) to do basic quality of life things such as driving. There’s an insane amount of paperwork in order to immigrate there too, much more strict than US. All your needs are cheap, but anything you’re going to want is expensive. Beer is super expensive and it’s always cold and rainy. Some things to consider
14 Jan 2018 02:32 - +543
Ah, yes. I’m sure /u/USAsucksEUrules will make an objective, unbiased comparison /s
14 Jan 2018 04:13 - +439
Haha, what the fuck. We don't have paid vacation and certainly not free birth control. *In practice* employers subtract 10.2% of your ~~pay~~"market worth" every month and you receive that money as "paid vacation" the following year (basically you don't get paid when you're not working and this is considered in your agreed salary and "camouflaged" by the vacation pay rules). It's correct that you're entitled to four weeks vacation a year but it's NOT paid, your employer is forced to save the money for you. And regarding tuition, even though you only pay a couple of hundred bucks a year in tuition for PUBLIC universities, books and food and rent is pretty expensive here. Students usually have a part time job as student loans don't cover living expenses unless you're really frugal. I guess gun control is strict compared to the US if you want to purchase an assault rifle, but getting a hunting rifle or shotgun isn't difficult at all. It's a hassle getting a pistol but most people can get it by e.g. joining a gun club and doing some mandatory gun training.
14 Jan 2018 02:57 - +391
I don't think the US is a shithole. Despite what ignorance our President says, most of us are trying to make this country a better place and more in line with the rest of the world.
14 Jan 2018 03:01 - +279
What the fuck, I don't have paid vacation in norway!
14 Jan 2018 03:57 - +246
Serious question, if all that is true, what's the downside? Why aren't their borders packed with people trying to get in?
14 Jan 2018 04:32 - +219
Call the US a Shithole and you are progressive and humorous. Call countries that cannot offer basic food, water & shelter Shitholes and you're a huge racist.
14 Jan 2018 04:01 - +185
Reddit really needs to go read exactly why countries like Norway work and then using that information ask themselves the question of wether or not it could work in the USA. The economic ramifications of all the suggested shit you listed above does not come for free. The reason Norway get away with it is because they are a small non diverse country with an abundance of resources. For the USA to have free healthcare our tax's on income and capital gains would have to go through the roof.
14 Jan 2018 04:09 - +155
Personal Taxes ~55%, and 45% GDP. They also have a population of 5 million, which is less than New York City alone. Oh, and its also about 85% white people.
14 Jan 2018 03:49 - +123
US is ok, but there are better countries to live in.
14 Jan 2018 04:45 - +94
This is a country with 5 million people. A country with 320 has a little bit different problems.
14 Jan 2018 04:11 - +88
I like my gun filled shithole thank you very much.
14 Jan 2018 05:14 - +74
•Not necessarily that funny •not even true for many of these •gets ~~4.5k upvotes~~ 18.9k upvotes What am I even posting?
14 Jan 2018 04:10 - +62
Not all of these are objectively positive
14 Jan 2018 04:31 - +60
Yes the lovely Norwegian paradise built under the protection of the worlds greatest peacekeeping force (the US) with money financed through the worlds greatest economic powerhouse (the US) under the principles conceived by the greatest free thinkers in history born to the freest country ever conceived by man (the US)
14 Jan 2018 03:37 - +43
So America is awful and people by the millions don’t risk life and limb to get here? TIL
14 Jan 2018 04:01 - +41
Can I just point out that the joke being made about America being a shit hole is doing the same thing that Trump did that caused this controversy. As you can see most Americans disagree with Trump so I bet we would prefer not to be grouped under his statements
14 Jan 2018 04:26 - +33
So what are the taxes like?
14 Jan 2018 04:08 - +33
As a Norwegian, i can tell you that the US is portrayed as an ideal country on Tv and on the internet. For example, Tom cruise was filming a scene for a movie in Norway, and the news kept us updated about it for a month
14 Jan 2018 04:10 - +32
Down vote me if you want, but we got equal pay here bud
14 Jan 2018 04:30 - +30
tiny country with tiny population full of smart productive people can afford this.
14 Jan 2018 05:43 - +26
We just gonna ignore that Norway has a 45% income tax?
14 Jan 2018 05:14 - +24
The "free" stuff isn't really free. They pay for it with very high taxes.
14 Jan 2018 05:39 - +23
Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world so check that too. Strict gun control is a positive? nope. Our (US) government cannot effectively run any program. Poorly ran lots of red tape with wasteful spending. Worked in government in two states at multiple levels.
14 Jan 2018 04:01 - +19
Tax rate?
14 Jan 2018 04:18 - +19
First off tf do you mean by pay equality? Cause if you talkng about like equal for race and gender, than yes the us does have that. Second all those things cost money for people who work causing norway to have about a 30% higher tax rate
14 Jan 2018 04:22 - +18
14 Jan 2018 05:48 - +16
Wtf every thing on this sub reddit is anti American garbage
14 Jan 2018 04:56 - +15
I can’t agree with this at all. I’ve been to Norway and I really enjoyed my time, but the diversity of lifestyles, people, land type, and opportunity in America is pretty amazing. There is no such thing as a free ride, wherever you live. It cost someone, something. But as America goes, I love it for the following: If I want to live close to a coast, mountains, grasslands, rivers, forest, or islands, I can. I can travel to each of these places relatively easily. There are vast amounts of open, lowly inhabited areas for people who like isolation, or the opportunity to live around richly populated cities, whether in them or near them in the suburbs. Wherever I go, I have the opportunity to create income with a variety of skills and make a living. This probably works universally, but you don’t have to be “rich” to have a good living in America. Despite what you might hear here, the majority of people I’ve ever come across are pleasant and friendly. In all, opportunity and the ability to live the life you want is available in America, if you’re willing to have delayed gratification and work towards it. But, I think the same can be said for living in any developed country. The opportunity is what you make of it. Nowhere is perfect, but most places are way more good than bad. Have a pleasant attitude, a heart for people, and solve problems other face, and you’ll do just fine. Just my 2 cents.
14 Jan 2018 05:16 - +14
Because those benefits cost a lot and are not voluntary? A worker that makes 100k will give 45k to Norway's government vs 25k to America's government. Therefore Americans have 20k to spend how they choose.
14 Jan 2018 04:28 - +14
The U S puts a ton of money into the military instead of stuff like universal health care.
14 Jan 2018 04:52 - +13
The pay equality thing is quite hysterical, if only we could make it a crime for not paying men and women the same for the same type of and *amount* of work. Oh wait......
14 Jan 2018 04:32 - +11
Their [prisons]( also work differently
14 Jan 2018 04:08 - +11
Have people just discovered the word "shithole" or something? Where ma British homies at.
14 Jan 2018 05:01 - +9
But I like guns
14 Jan 2018 07:00 - +9
We got gender pay equality in the usa in 1964.....
14 Jan 2018 06:46 - +6
Norwegian here, it seems like many don’t believe/know about these issues so I’m going to share what I know from living here all my life. Please excuse my formatting as I’m on mobile. Free birth control: Some comments claim that this is un true, but it isn’t. However, it’s not straightforward. Condoms (maybe low quality) can be ordered online for free and sent to your doorstep at, I believe, (Norway’s condom). Many schools also have free condoms for the students. Girls can also get free birth control when they’re under 18 to prevent teen pregnancies. Parental leave and vacation time: As far as I know OP is correct. Free college/university: The Norwegian education system is maybe the best thing Norway has ever created. Not only is is there no tuition there’s also something called the student loan. This loan, which is about 10k NOK a month, is meant to cover all the basic needs a student has. Further more the interest rate is so low that people in their fifty’s pay off the house mortgage before the student loan. Also the interest rate is zero until your studies are over and if you complete your degree about 40% of the loan is deleted. This is why Norway’s population is so highly educated. Why don’t people move here? Well, the immigration laws are very strict. It is possible to get a work visa, but why hire a foreigner when most Norwegians are fit for high education jobs? Last, but not least, the taxes are (to all but Norwegians) extremely high for both rich and poor. This comment got really long so if you got any questions just ask
14 Jan 2018 06:35 - +6
Don't forget the black metal.
14 Jan 2018 05:41 - +5
Bah - and you have like what, 10 million people of the same ethnicity, religion and social status to rule? Shit, we got cities bigger then that, son. And with way more social economic situations to deal with.
14 Jan 2018 06:22 - +5
There is a larger population of Norwegians in the US than in Norway And as if strict gun control is a good thing, or that any system a smaller nation institutes is automatically applicable to the US without any debate. Is this really a place for political humor or is it just a dump for intellectually lazy, divisive drivel?
14 Jan 2018 05:49 - +5
Strict gun control is a pro?? I'd rather have my freedom.
14 Jan 2018 06:49 - +4
I personally think strict gun control isn't good
14 Jan 2018 06:58 - +4
This makes me so sad. Sadder still that people here in the US *fight hard* and passionately against these things. Wouldn’t want anyone being treated equally, or anything.
14 Jan 2018 04:14 - +1
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